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Nancy Andrews On Long Tails

Do look at this video as next comments focus on it.
I guess you heard about Nancy Andrews.

Nancy Andrews is one of'em big shot link builders who featured the first StomperNET and seems to be taken into consideration by some. I'm not among them but this will be another story. So this lady has ninja link building skills (the expression always 'laughs' me to death) and she's made this video about longtail where she says exactly the opposite of everyone else.

Her take on longtails:

I'm sure you made your own idea by listening to that video but I'll cut things short:

She thinks there's no point in optimizing for long tail as the tools for finding long-tail keyphrases are distorted and the results will not be those expected.
My take on her take about the longtail keywords.

First I want to give her the benefit of the doubt. She's a a marketer and a good way to 'turn off' your competition is by feeding them FUD and telling them to aim high (for short keyphrases) get discouraged and drop out. Few can overcome failure. So it all might be mind games but I just don't want you, my readers, to fall for them.

She's half right. And she's right about tools for finding longtails and distortions in results and your expectations about the outcome. But she's so wrong about the optimizing for longtails side. But to understand where she goes wrong we need to understand what long tails mean.

What on Earth are long tails?
Much more to come on longtails but this is the shorter version. The longtails SEO crash course.

Most call'em longtails but I prefer to call them smart searches. The long tails are used by smart people to actually find what they are looking for. If we split the keyphrases people use as search engine queries we could divide them into two categories:

  1. Short tails - Generics
  2. Long Tails - Targeted

Generics are very short keyphrases (1-3 words) and are so generic that if you were to see the conversion only based on them you will see they are way less profitable then the longer keyphrases which I call targeted. Targeted searches are searches more refined which, if they pull you out as a result, will have a much higher probability of conversion.

So a Generic is online casino but what does the visitor want? Play free, Gamble, Read News, Learn To Play, Start His Own? But if you compare to the targeted search : online casino free games country_name flash you will see the ones searching for the targeted keyphrase have something in mind: they wanna play but don't wanna pay … at least not for now ;)

This is the difference between long tails and short tails. Long tails have a larger probability to convert and are easier to achieve.

One long tail from my site:

I get a lot of searches leading to global variables in php. And this is one of them: make variable available to php functions. This is a very good targeted search phrase with a very high probability of quickly bringing the right result. But do you think I ever optimized for it?

What does optimizing for the long tails means?

From Nancy's point of view optimizing for the long tails means link-building for the long tails. Which is not smart and usually not possible. Link building optimization means getting the keyphrase as anchor text. How would long tail searches look as anchor texts? Not great. So her mistake is thinking you need to optimize for the long tail.

No you don't. Each page you write (SEO writing not what I do here :)) aims for one or two shorter keyphrases: 2-3 words. So those keyphrases you aim for will have to be in you anchor text along with some 'fat' (words added just to variate but not alter meaning of anchor text). But long tail optimization is always an on-page factor. The better copy you write the more traffic you can get from long tails.

As conclusions:

So don't aim to optimize your anchor text for long tails. Link build with shorter tails in mind but write rich copy that will include words that will form the long tail. Longtails are on page optimization and there's where they should be. Links with too many words in anchor don't smell natural at all.

How to find the longtails, optimize for them and more on gurus such as: Nancy Andrews … in future episodes.

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#1 Bob from United States
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
Well I would say you got almost about everything about Nancy Andrews wrong…

I know you didn’t say this specifically, but Nancy is not associated with StomperNet at all, she spoke at a Stomper event as a favor, never gave her permission for presentation to be used on any CDs, never paid, or even offered money for appearing on the Stompernet CDs

The clip you have is from Yaniks Underground, again Nancy was not selling anything, or paid anything, she spoke as a favor to Yanik, and Yanik picked up her plane fare and hotel in return.

Now on to the more meaty stuff…

” She's a marketer and a good way to 'turn off' your competition is by feeding them FUD and telling them to aim high (for short keyphrases) get discouraged and drop out. Few can overcome failure. So it all might be mind games but I just don't want you, my readers, to fall for them.”

First and foremost... Nancy is an e-commerce merchant. She secured the #1 position for “Golf Gifts” and page 1 for “Golf Accessories” in less than 4 months, and has held it for over 3 years, despite several Google algorithm changes, and the big guys trying to knock her off.

Her SEO philosophy is not born out of ivory tower thoughts or eBook hype… it’s what she does every day and has taught others to do…

To assume she is playing some “Mind Game” is a huge assumption… and you know what happens when you ASSUME… you make an… you know the rest… ;)

I noticed you didn’t follow-up with the clip from the same seminar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAHy4JSHAQ8

where Nancy announced in front of 500 people she was putting her methods to the test on a site that was absolutely nowhere... zero traffic… she started applying her techniques. The site is now getting 800 UNIQUE visitors a day, and it’s not even the busy season yet.

There is nothing subversive in what she says… basically “If you spend all your time optimizing for longtail phases that’s all you get… if you optimize for competitive phrases you will get the big money phrases and the longtail falls in your lap naturally”

Nancy freely admits the 55% of her search traffic is from longtail terms, she just doesn’t waste any time optimizing for it.
#2 5ubliminal web
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
@BOB: Wow. I must have upset someone and I love that.
I'm not questioning her expertise but she's not posing as an ecommerce specialist but as a linkbuilder. Trust me, I love to ass-uming and mind games.
There's no such thing as longtail optimization. It's called copywriting and it's about the text you have on page. The more you have, the more chances for traffic on it. But you don't optimize on longtails. You optimize on the shorter keyphrases and first to come will be longtail traffic and then, as site ages, you'll get better stuff.

On the other hand this comment was was not really helpful for Ms. Nancy. I will break down her linkbuilding strategies and I'll show a nice report here including details like C-Classes, domains, and anchor text and so on. Plus meaty stuff like sattelite sites (just for links and there are many), mirrors of your golfstore (a bit changed but pretty much the same) that interlink. It will be an interesting read for my subscribers and others who care to understand that natural link building is very hard to achieve and I'll show how 'experts' actually do it.
#3 Bob from United States
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
No offence was taken... you seem to have a one dimensional view of Nancy

If you're still working under the assumption that what is published on the StomperNet CDs is what she does... save your time... the Stomper presentation is almost 4 years old and what worked then does not work now and it is not what Nancy advocates

Another segment of the Yanik presentation not posted here she says "Google bombing is dead"
#4 5ubliminal web
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
I did not post the googlebombing is dead video here as it was not really correct and I wanted those claiming its death to save face.
I hope you are aware of the scientology googlebomb that took place few weeks ago :)
There are different flavors of googlebombing but one can never claim its death. With enough link power … anything can be done.
PS: It was hand-jobed by Google, yet all the news sites covered it … check it out.
#5 Bob from United States
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
As a "parlor trick" Google bombing is not dead... as a long term business tactic it certainly is...

If you don't care what happens to your ranking on Google a month or even a week down the road.. then Google bombing is just fine...
#6 5ubliminal web
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
I'm a blackhat … I usually don't care :)
If it works, even if in 1% of cases, you can't say it's dead.
#7 Brian from United States
Posted on Thursday, 28 February, 2008
You are absolutely crazy if you dismiss longtail as a tactic worth looking into. If you have successfully optimized a site properly, long tail, like 5ubliminal said through onpage content utilization, can you do you worlds of wonders.

I tripled traffic for one clients site taking it from ~12,000 uniques to about ~35,000 uniques/day just from on page content enhancement and the long tail effect.

Being found for 600,000+ different variations of terms /month, doesn't happen because you are aiming only at the "money phrase" every single day. You really need to do both.
#8 5ubliminal web
Posted on Friday, 29 February, 2008
Exactly:
- optimize links for short keyphrases (2-3 max 4 words)
- write good copy to target longer possible searches on page (as Matt Cutts says - think what they could search for and use that)

That's it.
#9 Bob from United States
Posted on Friday, 29 February, 2008
So you really expect me to belive that Brain wrote "good copy" for "600,000+ different variations of terms"

Wow... you guys are good...
#10 5ubliminal web
Posted on Friday, 29 February, 2008
Brian mentioned 13k - 35k visits per day must lead to a large site.
So good copy can bring a lot of longtails.
And doing math you get more or less 600.000 visitors per month and most come on long tail.

So the copy must have worked. Maybe not all are different but in longtails most are different. No two people think the same.
Cheers.
#11 Bob from United States
Posted on Friday, 29 February, 2008
"No two people think the same"

agreed :)

Cheers
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