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I won't explain what referer spamming is now but…

I noticed more and more people talk about it as a method of driving traffic. Back where I come from, ref spamming has only been seen as a method of getting some permanent backlinks in some stats pages. But people want referer spam traffic. My question is:

Is this traffic worth the trouble?

It's like porn traffic: Huge but pretty much worthless.

Do I get refferer spammed?

Pretty consistently and I do visit those sites. My visits last .5 seconds while I look for my link. If I don't find it I simply label the spammer as a crappy individual, send a couple of bad words his way and carry on. Do I visit those sites? NEVER! During my entire history one ref spam page appealed to me.

Can you get leads from referer spam?

I pretty much don't think so except some internet marketing niches and so on. When you ref spam you actually 'contact' website owners. I wouldn't bet on them as customers to regular products so I'd say they're more inclined to the virtual side of the world. That's why I think referer spamming only has success in our niche.

How do people react to referer spamming?

I'm starting an experiment. I want to test the quality of referer spam traffic as I don't believe in it. I want to see if they even read a page and it they're willing to optin a list. Hell, I'll even give them the option to comment and flame my sorry ass for doing this to them.

This page will appear in your blogs referer traffic pretty soon. I'll be running 100.000 - 250.000 distinct hosts (subdomains) (if it works fast I might go to 1.000.000) within the next few hours and I'll stamp all of them with this page as refferer.

All blogs will appear in internet marketing / seo related searches in the search engines but I'll also go deeper on all of them. I'll only mark blogs. I'll check for Pingback header first. No non-blog host will be marked.

How I'll be measuring success?

As you see I don't have ads here. But I'll see how many visit, how many comment and how many actually optin or subscribe RSS. And any Alexa traffic rank fluctuations. Maybe it'll create brand awareness (I h8 fancy terms).

And best of all I'll have full disclosure on the numbers. I'll tell you exactly the traffic and their reactions but the comments will be visible here.

PS: If your blog/site got in my firerange and you feel offended do accept my sincere appologies for crapping your your stats informations. If you can find the inner strength to forgive me you might find some useful stuff on this site.

Updates Come Here!

  • Did the first test run on 5 searches on Google Blog Search for blackhat seo and variations. Found my blog after scraping 45.000 pages and 1500 distinct blogs. I'm not that popular … am I?
  • Now I unleash the beast. 1.000.000 URLs is easy , 1.000.000 distinct blogs is improbable. I'll stick to 100.000 blogs goal.
  • 200.000 URLs scraped, 6.000 blogs marked - 10 visitors

2008-07-11 Well ... during two thirds of a day got about 50 visits and 6 new subscribers… which is not that bad. I crawled over 300.000 pages and finished hitting 15.000 distinct blogs (checked for X-Pingback header) so I guess more visits should arrive within the next few days. I have over 250.000 URLs in queue and I'll do another set today and keep you updated.

17 Comments Posted By Readers :

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#1 webdiggr from Canada
Posted on Thursday, 10 July, 2008
In the good old days, when referrer spam was more common due to old outdated platforms still being available all over the web, we used this method. Not to get traffic, but to get thousands of links (especially .edu links) for the aff URL as you explain in the piggybacking post, for better ranking in GOOG. We sometimes outranked the sponsor site's home page for the actual domain name: http:www.sponsor.com/aff=1224 actually outranked the http://www.sponsor.com, when searching the keywords in the domain!!! On a massive scale this was quite lucrative. then slowly and gradually it stopped working :(
#2 5ubliminal web
Posted on Thursday, 10 July, 2008
This is true. That's why I don't understand why everybody is ref-spam crazy today.
It was great ref spamming stats pages with PR 5. And homepages that showed referers in real time.

But now... to bring up ref-spamming as method to make serious money... is history!
This is why I'm doing this large scale hit. Just to see and to prevent the believers from buying ref-spam lame software that brings no benefits.

PS: If it works I'll give you software for free. Much more violent then what any other 'sellers' can give you.
PPS: Do you use Windows Operating System. Wanna give you something... Mail me.
#3 SEO Boot Camp from Philippines web
Posted on Thursday, 10 July, 2008
Hi,

Are you old farts done with your war stories yet? LOL

I know what you mean tho, I got started in BH SEO with referer spamming b2evo blogs. I only had 1,000 of them, but they all had some PR. That brought my only site (WH actually) up to #5 in Yahoo and earned me about $700/mo. It didn't last long as b2evo made some changes.

Anyways, things have changed boys. Referer spam does not need to show as a link on a public page and does not need MAKE SERIOUS money in order to be effective nowadays, because the goals have changed. It's not just about webalizer and awstats and b2evo.

You guys sound stuck in the past. Everyday tens of thousands of new blogs/sites come online around the world and all these webmasters want traffic for various reasons.

Today, a few ad clicks on a new blog can make that webmaster happy. Or a few new RSS subscribers, or maybe someone (from that traffic), bookmarks your site, or maybe they find it interesting and they link to your blog in a story.

Today, referer spamming or referer advertising is about building your site and spreading the word, not making a quick buck.

Have a nice day,
Bompa
#4 5ubliminal web
Posted on Thursday, 10 July, 2008
True but I'm not thinking pennies here.
Some of those clicks will indeed make some webmasters happy but ... at least it should pay for their bandwidth:)
#5 rj from United States web
Posted on Saturday, 12 July, 2008
I've been hit by many referer spammers - it doesn't interest me in the least to take their offer seriously. Now, if you're catering to wannabe black hats or marketers who don't have a strong moral compass - maybe this tactic would work... but personally I wouldn't join a list or buy a product from somebody who deceitfully directed me to their site - that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

If somebody is using a marketing method rife with deception, how can I trust them?

That's only me, though - I'm sure there are a few people out there who will respond to this marketing tactic... the real question is, though, is it worth it?

BTW - I am one of the recipients of your referer spam, apparently.
#6 5ubliminal web
Posted on Saturday, 12 July, 2008
As I said in the post it's not worth it. But I'm trying to prove by example to those who think it is.
This kind of comment is what I was waiting for.

Cheers.
#7 James from Ireland web
Posted on Saturday, 12 July, 2008
I for one welcome our supreme overlords :D

(sorry I've just noticed the referrer in my stats and was wondering what the hell .. after having read I'm still wondering what the hell and how I appeared here)

I have to admit though its an interesting little project :) and if I remember in the morning I'll be checking back
#8 SEO Boot Camp from Philippines web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
"...marketers who don't have a strong moral compass..."

Oh boy, another preacher!

Is that what you marketing strategy is: an expression of your personal morals?

LOL

Good luck pal.
Bompa
#9 5ubliminal web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
I've went from link to link and parsed over 500.000 URLs and 25.000 Blogs starting from some SEO blogs.
And yours was found linked somewhere. :)
#10 5ubliminal web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
My moral compass always is really strong and vertical in the presence of hot chicks.
Ref-spamming is not a problem of morals but of futility. Nothing done online is moral. I have strong morals in the offline world but online ... I won't rob your credit card and email spam you. Online it's either legal or not and reality can be bent like in The Matrix.
Almost anything else goes.

PS: Bompa. This experiment is not looking very bad over all and with the right linkbait better success can be achieved.
I'll release numbers in a few days because I'm not yet happy with traffic. About 250 visitors at all which is quite low.
#11 nickycakes from United States web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
I ref spam my post about ref spamming, and people seem to stick around for that ;]
#12 5ubliminal web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
How many did you hit and how many vsited and how many subscribed or smth?
I hit 25.000 distinct blogs (after scraping 500.000 URLs to find them), got approx 250-300 visitors this weekend (we see next week) and about 10 subscribed.
My Alexa traffic got a small peak. Other than that :)

I don't think they take this seriously. Being rick-rolled is fun! But… in the end… webmasters != customers! Anyway, not in our market segment.
PS: I really hope you don't ref spam using the FireFox plugin. I really hope none of them do :)
PPS: I'm about to do a comment spam in unprotected SEO blogs so how that turns out.
#13 nickycakes from United States web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
no its all in curl, the post is just to put it into whitehat terms
and 25k is kinda smalltime, you should be doing 25k an hour
#14 5ubliminal web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
I only picks blogs and verify them. X-Pingback header. I scraped over 500.000 URLs in the run and found only 25K blogs in about 30minutes.
(this is my current runtime, then I got bored and did other stuff. But blogs were not being found as many as in the first minutes)
I only did blogs and only one page per blog. I know bloggers are really horny about their stats. Do you spam all of them?

I have it written in C++, 100 threads.
#15 nickycakes from United States web
Posted on Sunday, 13 July, 2008
yeah i just hit everything
#16 RJ web
Posted on Wednesday, 16 July, 2008
"...Is that what you marketing strategy is: an expression of your personal morals?..."

My personal marketing strategies aren't an expression of my morals, but my beliefs weigh in on how I choose to market myself, my products and my services - why wouldn't they? I'm not one person online and another offline - I am who I am. But - the point I was making is that referer spamming is deception, plain and simple. I'm not saying that deceitful practices don't make money - spammers, so-called "black hats" and outright cons can bring in millions upon millions of dollars. Just because you choose not to participate in such tactics doesn't mean that you're destined to flail around helplessly like a one-armed, one-legged man in the deep end of the pool.

Now, if I came in here like "OMG - ur goin 2 HELL u skum-suking spammer!!!!!!!"... that's another story.

Consequently, I came back because I had more hits from this page... though it could have been somebody clicking on my link above. I guess that's one way to recycle your visitors & keep them coming back - get them to comment & if they place a link and somebody clicks on it - it'll produce more hits in their stats, which may cause them to come back again.
#17 SEO Boot Camp from Philippines web
Posted on Friday, 18 July, 2008
"I ref spam my post about ref spamming, and people seem to stick around for that "

Cleverness wins the race nowadays.

(volume helps, LOL)

@procontentwriter, ok fair enough pal.


Bompa
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